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because he looked different. in a sense, america made a big bet in electing barack obama as its first african-american president. and with respect to his personal character and intellect, most of the country believes it was a bet that paid off. i'm fareed zakaria. thanks for joining us. you just saw our cnn special report "the legacy of barack obama" but will donald trump's legacy be twitter tirades? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. breaking news. the president-elect lashes out tonight at the union leader who said this to our erin burnett about trump's carrier deal. >> there are 550 being laid off. now, that never was mentioned by anybody. trump, pence, or any of them never mentioned about 550 moving to monterey, mexico.
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>> well, donald trump taking to twitter almost immediately saying, "chuck jones who is president of united steelworkers 199 nine has done a terrible job representing workers, no wonder companies flee country." let's get to cnn's chief correspondent dana bash, political comment tatator david madden, and david swerdlick. dana, tonight donald trump watching an interview here on cnn with a union rep critical of how the president-elect portrayed the carrier deal then unleashing a twitter attack on him. what happened? >> you know, you just laid it out. it's obvious that what happened was donald trump did not like that criticism. did not like the fact that it was taking away from something that he got pretty much universal kudos for just last week which was figuring out a way along with the, his vice president-elect, sitting governor of indiana, mike pence, to save jobs that were already
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heading toward mexico. instead, what this union leader did on "erin burnett" is say, okay, that's really nice but the fact is a lot of the workers who thought they were going to have their jobs saved did not because it didn't -- what donald trump was saving didn't represent the scope of all of the workers who were getting laid off. now, we reported that pretty much realtime, but it's one thing to report the number and it's another thing to be a union leader as chuck jones is and to have to deal with this reality with the people he knows very well. >> kevin, donald trump has proudly talked about saving 1,100 jobs in the carrier deal but here's chuck jones, president of united steelworkers 1999 speaking to erin earlier, seemingly this is what sparked trump's twitter attack. watch. >> when carrier announced they closed down the whole facility in february, they announced at that point in time the research
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and development jobs, about 350 of them, were going to remain here in indianapolis. anyone when mr. trump got involved, what the actual number of jobs saved is 730 bargain unit jobs. the workers of the union members, and another 70 office supervisory, clerical workers for trump management. and what they're doing, they're counting in 350-some odd more that were never leaving this country at all. >> kevin madden, jones said more than 500 jobs are still being sent to mexico. your reaction to the president-elect's response to this. >> look, i think the political benefits, particularly in the short term for donald trump, on the carrier issue, were pretty obvious. and i think undisputed. even his critics would say that the headlines that he drove in the immediate aftermath of announcing the deal and the polling that we've seen in the immediate aftermath all show that this was a total win for
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donald trump. i think what we're seeing is a window right into how donald trump engages in political combat. the second he sees a critic, even if it's somebody like chuck brooks who's not really well known, he immediately confronts that critic and engages with them. >> chuck jones. >> chuck jones, i'm sorry. most -- in the past, you'd see a lot of transition staff say, look, this is -- we don't want to engage in a day-to-day back and forth with any of our adversaries on this, let's take the political win and go. donald trump not the case. >> david, trump fired back immediately tweeting, i read it once. again, maybe we can put it up. "chuck jones, president of united steelworkers 1999 have done a terrible job representing workers. no wonder companies flee country." he's taken on lots of us in the media as a whole. it's another to take on boeing on united technologies. what about taking on an individual american citizen like this who is fighting for
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workers? >> yeah, it's incredibly thin skinned and at least to my mind not becoming of the office that president-elect trump is about to assume. look, if president-elect trump and vice president-elect pence dispute the numbers that chuck jones is giving to cnn or to the "washington post," then, of course, it's well within their right to say, no, this is not our understanding of the deal points, these are not the numbers. we'd like to discuss it, we'd like to get on air and tell our side of the story. to attack him personally is thin skinned and divisive. we started today talking about the "time" magazine kcover, thi is divisive. >> what do you think about trump's criticism, whether it's personal or not? why is he picking this fight? because they're going to be -- he's going to get much more criticism over the coming years and will he have a problem with the pressure and the scrutiny that every president faces? >> well, you know, i mean, chuck jones and donald trump are guys
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that are going by numbers, right? the carrier event, they told us at the event and car yrier tweed it and put it in the press release that it was 1,000 jobs. trump's mind, he's looking at this and jones is disputing that trump is telling the truth. on one hand, jones is a numbers guys, too, right? it's his job, i've known these union guys all my life here in pittsburgh, their job is to save every single job that they can get their hand on. trump looks at it like, i was just there, i just -- they told me it was a thousand jobs and, you know -- >> but selena, i understand where you're going with this, but listen, chuck jones didn't say donald trump is a terrible president-elect. he said he simply came on and gave numbers. >> right. >> the personal attack came from the president-elect. not from chuck jones. >> we're entering a completely different paradigm. i don't think this is going to be unusual of trump. i think this is going to be
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normal and we are not used to it but i think we're going to have to get used to it. >> okay. >> i don't necessarily say it's right or wrong. it's just the new way things are going to go on in this town. >> i don't know we'll have to get used to it but i think it's probably going to go on and it's our job to point it out. >> don, can i make a point about the politics of this? that, you know, we can talk about whether or not it is appropriate for the leader of the free world to be, to pick on an individual the way he did, but the bottom line is it's not just that, he's almost -- join talk about the raw politics of it, he's -- chuck jones and union workers more broadly, they were the old-time -- voted for trump because he was. >> that was the point of my question, why would he pick a fight for someone --
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>> exactly. you read one of the tweets. it wasn't just one. he also tweeted again as cnn was talking about it, there you see right there. "if united steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in indiana, spend more time working, less time talking. reduce dues." so going after the union in general, again, a lot of these people i would bet a lot of money voted for donald trump. >> hey, kevin -- >> good point, dana. >> kevin, hold on. let me play this because i think this will -- you can respond to this as well. after trump tweeted, chuck jones called into cnn, he responded. >> what we do as a labor union, we negotiate fairly living wages and benefits so on the carrier situation in its entirety, it was all about wages. we can't compete with $3 an hour extra workers. we got a skilled workforce.
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because of corporate greed and unfair trade, they want to move these jobs out of the country. so if he wants to blame me, so be it, but i look at him, how many millions of dollars he spent on his hotels and casinos, try to keep labor unions out. >> there you go, kevin. >> yeah. dana makes a good point about why would donald trump do this, particularly if these are the union members that supported him. i think the thinking there is that many of these union members aren't happy with union leadership, and donald trump, the one thing he's done is try and shake up the status quo. whether it's in washington or whether it's with union leadership around the country. the other thing that's interesting is in that speech -- in that second call by chuck jones, he was carrying a message that donald trump carried to those very voters in those states that resonated which is questioning some of the -- some of the big economic -- some of the big economic trends that are
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affecting the overall economy in the midwest, and in that sense, they actually have a very similar message. >> yeah. >> don, can i just say one more thing? >> yeah. >> i agree with kevin on the politics. i would just add, though, if you look at the substance of that second tweet that you put up, trump has changed the message, right? >> put that up. thank you. >> the message throughout the campaign was that it's the rigged system, it's the elites in washington that have done nothing to look out for jobs. if you look at that tweet on its face, what it's saying is part of the blame goes to the -- >> the union workers. >> yeah. that's a bait and switch. >> yeah. so, here's what robert rykes said in response to trump's tweets tonight. >> let me just say it because donald trump is probably watching right now, let me just say with all due respect, mr. trump, you are our president-elect of the united states. you are looking and acting as if you are mean and petty, thin skinned and vindictive.
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stop this. this is not a fireside chat. this is not what fdr did. this isn't lifting people up. this is actually penalizing people for speaking their minds. >> david, does he have a point? >> yeah, i do think he has a point, secretary reich knows, he was in the clinton administration, a cabinet secretary. i do think this is divisive. look, i do think the trump administration, president-elect trump, should and will and do take credit for saving those 700 or 800 jobs as has now been reported by the "post," by the "indianapolis star" but i also think the union reps are right, if they believe that it's less than orange fall loriginally ad they're in their rights to stick up to their side of the deal. if we get started before inauguration day without having clarity of how the deals are going to go, there's going to be more of them, we're in bad shape. >> selena, speaking to that,
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trump's approach, cutting individual deals with different companies in order to save jobs, then firing at them via twitter, is that the right strategy? can that be replicated on a national basis, a nationwide scale? >> well, do you mean firing at, like, boeing or firing back at chuck jones? >> well, both. i would say firing back at chuck jones as everybody on the panel has probably come to the consensus that it probably was not a good thing for him to do but for boeing and for carrier and on and on. >> well, you know, i mean, kevin made an excellent point because, you know, i know a lot of these union guys and a lot of them get really sort of upset with their leadership and they look at their dues going, you know, going for political things and they're not keeping their jobs. so some of this is probably not going after union workers but going after union leadership and going after the status quo. so, you know, i don't think he's
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losing people on this. >> that's kind of the danger of 140 characters, though, there's no ynuance and doesn't say the leadership, says union workers, steelworkers 1999 which is everyone, not just the chuck jones of the world. >> when i look at it, i come from a union town, when i looked at it, to me, that -- when i saw that tweet, i was like, oh, that's the leadership because those are the ones that are responsible for keeping those jobs. those are the guys that negotiate. those are the guys that go to the ownership and say, what can we do to keep these jobs? so in my mind's eye, that's how i saw it. >> all right. stick around. >> and to her point and kevin's point, they do historically endorse democrats and republicans do try to split off the rank and file from the leadership. so i do agree with that. >> stick around, everyone. zblfshl when we come right back, the president-elect reveals he's been consulting president barack obama on some of his cabinet picks.
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breaking news, a federal judge has given michigan's board of elections the go ahead to stop the electoral recount. u.s. district judge mark goldsmith issued the order tonight effectively denying green party presidential candidate jill stein's efforts to keep the recount going. meanwhile on the day president-elect trump is named "time" magazine's person of the year, new announcements from his transition team. back to discuss, dan that basa
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salena zito. dana, let's start with you this time. no word on his pick for secretary of state. he's tapping another general to join his ranks plus a former pro wrestling ceo. what do you know? >> how's that for a duo? we know that let's just talk about the wwe, linda mcmahon, that she is not somebody who was that thrilled with donald trump during the primary process. had said in an interview that she didn't think he was great for women. but when he became the nominee, she gave money to his superpac and when donald trump announced that she was his pick today, he talked about the fact that she does get business, she grew her company in a very big way. and she's actually kind of ironically given, you know, where she comes from, wrestling, probably going to be one of the least controversial nominees given the fact that her opponent because she is a two-time -- she
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ran twice, a two-time loser for the united states senate, her opponent who beat him for the first time senator blumenthal said he's going to vote for her. there you go. >> as i said, never a dull moment over there the past couple months. he's selecting scott pruitt. hasn't pruitt sued the epa before? >> yes, he has. as attorney general of the state of oklahoma, which, of course, is a state with a lot of energy resources and energy money which if you look back at some "new york times" piece that have been done over the years, they've done some investigative work on this man in particular. about the money that he got from donors and even some of the practices that he was part of. what they reported was he took letters from energy lobbyists and just kind of copied them and
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put them on his letterhead and sent them to the epa. big picture, though, what does this mean? it means that the meeting that donald trump had with al gore that gave people on capitol hill -- i was up there this week -- some hope that maybe his rhetoric about being a climate change denier and so forth during the campaign was just that, that that hope is out the window because there's a lot of anger at the fact that donald trump nominated pruitt. however, again, we've said this many times, elections do have consequences and this is a man who many conservatives are cheering about because they think the epa has totally overstepped their bounds and they want him to go into the epa and shrink it from the inside. >> they don't really believe in climate change. they think it's a hoax. kevin, to that point, what was that high-profile meeting with al gore at trump tower? was it an attempt to show people he is more moderate, get some attention for that while still appointing a very conservative leader for the position? >> yeah, well if he's going to meet with mitt romney, meeting
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with al gore is not that big of a stretch, right? i mean, somebody who's -- >> you should know. >> -- been critical of him in the past. i would know. >> whisperer. >> yeah, i really do believe it's an effort to, you know, gather as much insight as possible. and, look, donald trump is unique in the sense that he is one of -- he's the first president to ever be elected without prior government experience and to get insight from someone like al gore who has a lot of it, he's even met with rahm emanuel, another person who despite there may be differences on politics and policy, has an incredible amount of insight of how congress works and how the white house works. so gathering as much of that insight and intelligence i think is something that the transition has shown, it's been a pattern for this transition and i thnk that's a good thing. even for those who were critics of donald trump. >> mr. swerdlick, let's talk about donald trump as "time" g magazi magazine's person of the year. he says it's an honor, of
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course, he's taking issue with something as he often does with the headline calling him the president of the divided states of america. listen to this. >> well, i think putting "divided" is stocky, but, again, it's divided. i'm not president yet. so i didn't do anything to divide. >> what do you make of trump saying he didn't do anything to divide the country? >> he did do something to divide the country. look, during the last 18 months president-elect trump ran a divisive campaign. made the comments about judge curiel. mocked the khan family. i could list on and on the things he did that were divisive. that doesn't mean he can't go on and have a successful preside y presidency. that doesn't mean he can't come out and really give a meaningful address or meaningful sit-down with a journalist such as yourself that explains why he was misunderstood or why he did what he did. he hasn't done that yet and so i
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think the label, "divided," at least for the moment sticks. >> salena, do you get the sense trump only wants to take credit for the good things? he said he didn't do anything to divide the country but also says he hopes his presidency will be judged from election day, pointing to the stock market bounce. what do you make of that? >> i mean, you know, at heart, he's a showman and businessman and both sort of career paths are ones where you want everything to look good and you want to look powerful and you want to look strong and you want to look confident. so i think there's always going to be that part of him that wants to constantly portray that. but he has shown in several different instances where he's been contrite, he's apologized for either things that he said or he's admitted mistakes. those have been few and far between. nonetheless, he has done them. but i think that trump relishes projecting confidence and projecting positive things and you will probably always see him
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doing that. the other thing he does really well that's something bill clinton used to do really well is always show that he's working. you know, even when bill clinton was at his worst part, you know, he was out there with lanny davis, you know, had his sleeves rolled up, i'm just doing the job for the americans. trump has showed that since the day that he won that he was going to work on his transition, that he was going to be meeting with people and that shows a lot of political savvy. >> dana, kevin, salena, david, thank you very much. up next, the legacy of president barack obama, what will be -- what will he be most remembered for?
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in 44 days, president barack obama steps down after eight years in office. i want to talk now about that. his legacy with cnn presidential historians timothy and douglas brinkley and michael higgenbatham at the university of baltimore and author of "ghosts of jim crow." i'm looking forward to this conversation.
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doug, i'm going to start with you you. aside from making history as the first african-american president, what will president obama be most remembered for? >> getting america out of the great recession. i mean, we sometimes forget what it was like in october 2008 when everything crashed. he had to come in in an emergency situation and started working at ways to get the economy stimulated. i also think that killing of osama bin laden will be a major piece that's remembered, but in the end, it will be the first line that he was america's first african-american president and was successful and had two terms although he had a lot of headaches along the way. >> you know, he is leaving the president-elect with a solid economy. unemployment is at 4.6%. the gdp for the last quarter 3.2%, the highest growth rate in two years. will history record it that way? will history be kind to him? >> i say every day -- you know, the day he leaves office, that will be how he left the american economy and, you know, going
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from 7 point unemployment all the way down to 4.7%, let's say, by the time he leaves, he's also probably going to have close to a 60% public approval rating. so he's a beloved figure. now the fact of the matter is america's been very center, center right and it's been a little hard for barack obama to develop the legislative record he wants. we're going to have to see what happens to the obamacare, the affordable care act in the age of donald trump. there are headaches for obama pie's legacy yet to come but leaving with a squeaky clean, ethical record. parents, mothers, fathers in america can say i want my kid to grow up to be like barack obama. >> timothy, much of what looked like president obama's legacy a couple months ago is now in jeopardy. obamacare, green fuel, climate change initiatives. will any of it survive now, you think? >> well, a couple of things. first of all, it takes a while to know what a president's
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legacy is. >> you can't believe we're talking about it this early. >> i can't, but it's okay. it's an ongoing conversation, but if we were having a conversation in 1988 about ronald reagan, there were people criticizing ronald reagan in 1988 for being too soft on gorbachev and if gorbachev had been overthrown in '89 rather than 1991, who knows what outcome would have been and ronald reagan's legacy as the one who won the cold war wouldn't have been the legacy of the man who won the cold war. there are a number of things to play out for barack obama that are going to shape his legacy. for example, what happens in mosul, whether after the surprise of 2014 when he comes to grips with isis/isil problem, does he really actually deal with it effectively before he leaves office? obamacare, it looks as if president-elect trump doesn't agree with the congressional leadership about what americans deserve to have. he's talking about people with pre-existing conditions continuing to be insured. he's also talking about people
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26 years and younger still being covered by their parents' insurance plans. that's not something that the congressional leadership has really promised americans. if he pushes for that, that's the legacy of obamacare. it's president obama who made those requirements for the american safety net. and then the issue, the issue of climate change. absolutely president-elect trump said he will pull out of the paris agreement. well, let's just see what happens. let's see how much of this he really can undo. so part of the legacy issue will depend on president-elect trump's relationship with congress and how much he achieves, and part of it will do, will relate to how president barack obama as a former president talks about the values that he espoused. >> what he does next. >> jimmy carter as doug knows very well, jimmy carter's legacy
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as a president was very low but as a person gained a great personal legacy because of what he did after he left office. >> listen, as i mentioned to douglas, michael, part of his legacy just without saying is that he is the first african-american president of the united states. and so african-americans in general feel a particular way, certain kind of way, as we say, about the president. how do african-americans specifically view his presidency? >> well, i think as you mentioned, he is the first black president and clearly that is very significant. but there's no question that most blacks view president obama very, very positively. i mean, this is somebody who's not only, you know, saved the economy and has done a great deal for individual rights in terms of gender and in terms of gay rights during his presidency, he stood strong, but he's also done a great deal in terms of race. his justice department, eric holder very strong in terms of
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evaluating police departments that violated civil rights and in terms of suggesting changes that they could make. i think a lot of african-americans look at that very positively and then finally, i think most importantly, he has been somebody who has been so professional in the job. he has been so measured, so objective and as a professor, you know, i'm supposed to evaluate and grade. i mean, president obama deserves an a-plus for anger management. there's been so many -- so many -- >> it's funny you should say that -- >> -- opportunities for him to be angry, right? >> as we were watching this documentary with fareed zakaria before the show, a few of us were sitting in the office saying it is quite remarkable that he's not angrier considering, you know, when we first got into office republicans said we're going to make you a one-term president, not going to do anything, you're not going to get anything passed then considering what the president-elect said about him, delegitimizing his presidency, making him present his birth
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certificate. it's amazing that he is not angry and most people would have been really ticked off about it. and probably would not have been -- the word is so classy about it. >> they absolutely would be and he is a classy person. he is somebody with strength, with courage, with dignity and that's what he brought to the office and i think african-americans are so proud of him for doing that. and it's incredible. >> yeah. >> he deserves a great deal of credit for that. >> douglas, president obama does not have the same background that most american black folks do. white mother, father who's from kenya. how did that influence how he dealt with race as a president? >> well, i think because he operated on two tiers. one, he was the leader for african-americans and recognized the symbolism of it all, that he was following in the footsteps of martin luther king jr. and the bridge at selma of john lewis and he knew he had to make sure that he honored that and saw it in the charleston
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shooting which was in fareed zakar zakaria's documentary was played up. what a brilliant moment where here he is, barack obama talking to the ama church after the horrible slayings in charleston, he's singing "amazing grace" and has the rhythm of the african-american pulpit, the ame church was the freedom church of harriet tubman and rosa parks and frederick douglass, yet he's also understood the concerns of white america, having a family. he's a mix-raced american, multicultural person. i thought fine -- that he's only going to grow in stature, he's going to probably get about $15 million, $20 million for his memoir. he's a great writer. he's going to have the library in chicago. i don't think he's going it be like jimmy carter in the sense of being that activist. he doesn't really like politics but he's a constitutional lawyer. someday you might even see him on a supreme court like william howard taft had once been
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president and then went back to the court and let's not forget, barack obama got two women onto the u.s. supreme court and there's a legacy inherent with that. >> that's interesting to think that, you know, born in the 1960s, a white mother and black father. that's where the country is going now. we're going to see more of that and that may be his legacy as well. thank you, jen lmen. i appreciate it. when we come right back, for many it seemed like the election of barack obama would change everything but after eight years in office, what is the president's legacy on race in america? afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.
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a black man in the white house, for many it seemed the election of barack obama would change everything. now eight years later, what is president barack obama's legacy on race? here to discuss now, former philadelphia mayor, mr. michael nutter and calvin tucker, chairman of the pennsylvania black republican council and cnn political commentator bakari sellers. good evening, gentlemen. mayor, you are first. i want you to listen, again, to what president obama told fareed zakaria about race. here it is. >> the first line of your
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biography, not something you did but who you are, the first african-american president. and yet you're half white, you were raised by three white people, your mother and two grandparents. >> and an indonesian. >> and an indonesian. are you comfortable with this characterization of you? >> i am, actually. the concept of race in america is not just agenetic otherwise the one-drop rule wouldn't have made sense. it's cultural. it's this notion of a people who look different than the mainstream suffering terrible oppression but somehow being able to make out of that a music and a language and a faith and a patriotism. >> mayor nutter, what did you hope race relations would look like after eight years of a president obama and what do you think the reality is?
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>> well first, don, i'm still not sure that more than a few years ago i ever thought in my lifetime that an african-american would be elected president of the united states of america. always a hope, wasn't sure it was actually going to happen. i know for many older folks, they never thought this would happen. that's one. two, what we've seen is a very proud, secure black man take care of america. classy. dignity. grace. under fire. be a great husband, father, consoler in chief, understand people because of what that clip we just heard from the president. his multicultural history and background has clearly helped to shape him, but more importantly helped him to better understand a whole lot of other folks than possibly we've ever seen in the president of the united states. >> calvin, do you agree? >> oh, absolutely, i agree. >> he had to -- he had to -- >> although -- >> he had to walk a tightrope when it came to issues that
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other presidents before him didn't have to in a way other presidents before him didn't have to. go on, continue your fault. >> well, no, i mean, i just would have liked to while all of those great attributes that the mayor has talked about with respect to the president, i certainly agree with those. i just would have liked to, you know, see him do more things in the underserved community to help e rradicate some of the issues in that community. >> bakari? >> well, i think we can look at the numbers of president barack obama, whether or not you have the violent crime rate which has been trending down, whether or not you look at the unemployment rate in african-american communities, the dropout rate. you can look at all of those numbers but for me i think it's three things. i think it's three images which will be forever lasting in my heart and in my mind when i think about president barack obama. the first is a picture from 2009 when a little by named jacob who
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was 5 years old entered the white house, with his white dress shirt on, he asked the president was his hair like his and the president reached over and jacob reached up and touched his head. number two, just recently this year, a young 3-year-old boy named clark reynolds at the white house, black history month program. you can see him gazes ing up ate president as the president gently touches his cheek. number three, an image we all talked about but was personal to me when the president sung "amazing grace" at that funeral. >> let's listen to that. we were both covering that the. the trial of dylann roof is under way right now in charleston, he's accused of shooting nine people at a bible study at the emanuel ame church there. let's listen to the president at the memorial service to honor the victims. >> god works in mysterious ways. god has different ideas. ♪ amazing grace how sweet the
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sound ♪ ♪ that saved a wretch like me >> and bakari, sadly, that is how you and i met, that was june 2015 only a year and a half, you know, left in his presidency. do you think this was a turning point for him on the way he handled race? >> i think it was an exceptional moment. i think that people forget sometimes that we are just 48 years away from the assassination of martin luther king jr., 48 years away from the assassination of robert f. kennedy and 48 years away from the massacre and you have things like this that happen.
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and the president was -- was -- >> why is this -- why is this affecting you so much, bakari? you all right? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> that was a tough day. >> yeah. >> for us all. >> yeah. >> president's seen a lot of tragedy and had to deal with, of course, the economic recession. i mean, you know, those of us who have been in elected office during our time and after our time, there will always be those who say, well, i wish he had done this, i wish he had deone that. i wish congress would have supported the american jobs act, which congress would stop trying to repeal the affordable care act. the one that brought 7 million african-americans health care who did not have it before. rising incomes for african-americans. and that list can go on. so, you know, i think until
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you've been in that kind of situation, it is really hard to judge, but you do the best you can with what you have. president barack obama will be seen as one of the best presidents in the history of the united states of america. >> yeah. history will be kind to him. listen, that was a tough time for all americans, particularly tough for my brother, bakari sellers, there, being right in the center of where it all happened. bakari, we feel for you. we're going to take a break and we're going to regroup and be back on the other side. when , seconds can mean the difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time to help those that need it. the ability to collaborate changes how we work. what we do together changes how we live.
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back with me now, calvin tucker and bacari. thank you for sharing that moment with us. it was very special and again, we know it's tough because the trial is going on and there is a lot happening in charleston right now and in the country. let's talk about this, though. "time magazine" named the president elect the person of the year but also called him the president of the divided states of america. what do you think? >> well, i think we do have a divided state, and a divided country, and i think that, you know, my hope and wish is that donald trump puts some of his pettiness aside and works on unifying the country.
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i'm not sure if he's capable of doing it. i hope and believe he is because there is a lot of people in this country hurting and a lot of people feel as if their voices don't matter. a lot of persons in this country, persons of colors that feel we don't get the benefit of our humanity and i don't think donald trump sees that or hears that and donald trump didn't win this race by bringing people together. he won it by dividing so i don't know why we would expect him to do something different. >> here is his response this morning on "the today show". >> i didn't divide them. they are divided now. there is a lot of division and we'll put it back together and have a country very well healed. >> mayor. >> if he would stop tweeting and start speaking and really talking to the america using the pope et he has as president elect and stop denying what you did. own up to it, acknowledge it,
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you won. say what you mean as president elect. you'll get sworn in on january 20th but time for leadership now, cut the rhetoric. >> do you take the thank you to a blue state? >> he should take it across america regardless of whether it's red or blue. he won and has to represent all americans. red or blue. >> yeah. calvin, on "60 minutes" the weekend after the election, leslie asked trump about use of violence and racial slurs by supporters. this was his response. >> i'm very surprised to hear that. i hate to hear that. i hate to hear it. >> you do hear it. >> i don't hear it. >> you're not seeing it? >> one of two instances. >> he doesn't hear it? he -- >> he doesn't hear -- i didn't hear the context for that statement.
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he doesn't hear racial slurs? >> he doesn't hear it and didn't hear about the divide and attacks and said he was sorry to hear about that. let me give you more context because in the ten days after the election, the southern poverty counted 867 instances of hateful harassment. as president elect is trump more aware of what is happening you think in the last couple days instead of right after that, calvin? >> well, obviously he's aware and, you know, when he becomes president on january the 20th, you are going to see a man who is fully engaged in all of our society and african americans and others. so a lot of where he was is, as the mayor said is rhetoric and theater. >> mayor?
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>> yeah -- >> go ahead, pastor. >> okay. >> pastor, this is the problem. we don't know that it's rhetoric. everyone who speaks on behalf of mr. trump says it's rhetoric or says he was just saying that or he doesn't mean that. he spoke it out of his mouth, and until he puts something else in his mouth that we can hopefully trust and believe, that's what we're left with. one of the frustrations is that folks who speak on behalf of mr. trump are always interpreting and reinterpreting what he says out of his own mouth. >> thank you, gentlemen. we're out of time. thank you-all. that's it for us tonight. i'll see you right back here tomorrow night. good night.
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com barack obama's america was born with hope. people were crying in the streets and with crisis. financial panic. >> we were hanging on the edge of a cliff. >> health care hysteria. >> why don't they take the health care being forced down our throat. >> two wars. mass shootings. >> a gunman opens fire. >> a spray of bullets. >> racial violence.

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